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 No.60855

SubscribeStar is like a drain for Kemono as far as the continuous migration there goes. And like a drain, Kemono's future will run dry if the one website rising the fastest ends up gaining a monopoly over the other paywall sites, at least in terms of what we're really after.

Make fun of this issue all you want, it's ultimately a Kemono issue, a staff issue, a customer issue, everyone but the dickheads enabling this circus.

If only there were a way to reverse the migration. But no, what about everything that's already there? Don't want that disappearing without being ARCHIVED, right?

 No.60876

Make your own scraper. Simple as.

There are thousands of paywalls, Kemono has support for like 8. Deal with it.

 No.60901

>>60855
The problem with SubscribeStar is clear. It's a people problem, there's no code anyone can write to fix that. The only way a reliable importer for that site is coming back is if the people with a hateboner for scraping are removed from management.

 No.60941

>>60901
bullshit

the admin is just a shitty coder

the site was literally made by jeets and chinks for $5 on fiverr lmao

 No.60944

>>60941

> the admin is just a shitty coder


i mean, creating a webscraper isn't that difficult, you can do it yourself actually (as if you're intelligent enough than neanderthals)

what makes it difficult is that ss designed their api endpoint to be trackable, the only logical way to avoid the detection is to have kemono scraper to scrape using same ip address as the session key holder

now you know the roadblock is, do you have a solution to this?

 No.60946

>>60944
TL;DR: Not that simple because not only the site has shitty design on purpose, it is extremely aggressive and dodgy for obvious reasons when you look up and find *who* actually hosts it (don't do it on surface web).

SubscribeStar very likely tracks the device ID, ASN and other fingerprints as means of checking this is the same user on the session. And if they're smart enough, removing false positives if an user happens to be using multiple devices that are completely unrelated (especially mobile+desktop).

Considering they have a large bunch of holes in their HTML (the framework is awful and security garbage, almost feels like it's a honeypot /s) you may be tempted to go for this instead but I wouldn't recommend it.

 No.60947

>>60946

device id is unreliable for them to use (since few browsers might send it differently, my android firefox sends as android 10 but on edge it's [REDACTED]) but as for asn it's what i meant

> for obvious reasons when you look up and find *who* actually hosts it (don't do it on surface web).


i'm not doing research yet… are you saying ss was hosted by either mossad or cia/fbi?

 No.61010

>>60946
You're gonna say terrorists aren't you? You might be thinking of Telegram.

 No.61133

>>60946
What are you on about?

 No.61143

>>61133
The kike admin keeps spouting lies about SubscribeStar for whatever reason, making people believe it's some kind of high-security fortress or whatever. LOL. Don't even pay attention to this drivel, it's bullshit. They're literally too lazy to fix it just like the rest of the site since they have very limited manpower and brains.

 No.61167

>>61143
Oh yeah? Prove it. Come on, you said it, now you gotta prove it.

 No.61168

>>61143
With SubscribeStar gaining as many artists as it has, ignoring it would be suicide for Kemono. No one would be THAT stupid.

 No.61175

>>61168
Someone needs to take out the ass-headed management that bans paying users before we can have a reliably working public scraper again because otherwise nobody is going to import anything.

 No.61177

>>61175
Would the bans happen to be the case of Subsccribestar somehow tracking users and denying service or do you mean the Patreon grade of poor/arbitrary reason?

 No.61183

>>61177
People have reported here and on reddit having support explicitly tell them their accounts and cards have been banned because they'd been here.

 No.61184

>>61183
That's what I thought.

 No.61188

>>60855
I couldn't care less tbh.

 No.61189

>>61168
Homie forgot Yiff Party was a thing, there's always a chance the admin will just say fuck it not worth it, gotta remember this isn't like youtube adblock race, if those platforms feel like it they can dedicate resources to find the owner of Kemono and take the site down for good by hitting them with legal action.

I feel like a lot of people keep bitching about the subscribestar import thing, and it sucks if you wanna see stuff from a guy that is there, but acting like you're in some reddit thread and try to shame people into making it work is just stomping your feet like a kid that didn't get what they wanted, I doubt that would make anyone working for the site more eager to get you what you want.

 No.61192

>>61189
Exactly this. I only see one way for kemono to make big bucks and that ain't ads even if you're rotating targeted ransomware and cryptominers.

The day SA goes fuck it or joins Meow, it's kemonover once again.

 No.61203

>>61175
>Someone needs to take out the ass-headed management that bans paying users
FUCKING OATH!

>>61188
You will when Kemono goes bankrupt and the servers get turned off for good.

>>61189
So you're saying that Kemono would rather go arse up than to attempt any solution on the SubscribeStar issue out of fear they'll be hunted down. Do these platforms even have the legal right to do that? Or are they really willing to resort to questionable means of getting what they want?

>>61192
>The day SA goes fuck it or joins Meow, it's kemonover once again.
It can only be "over" once, and that's when it's actually over.

 No.61204

>>61203

> Do these platforms even have the legal right to do that?


of course they do, do you think they dont? patreon could do that too as well if they wanted to

 No.61209

>>61189
>if those platforms feel like it they can dedicate resources to find the owner of Kemono and take the site down for good by hitting them with legal action.
Something like this has actually happened. Hermietkreeft was named as a defendant (with handle) in a previous lawsuit.

 No.61229

>>61189
>>61203
>>61204
>>61209
>Heaps of artists flocking over to SubscribeStar
>Situation too shit for Kemono to handle
That's not fair. That is NOT fair at all.

 No.61230

>>61229
Isn't it funny how the site that was made to scale paywalls and gardenwalls… has hit a wall?

 No.61234

>>61230
It turns out that your paywall can be pretty effective if it's patrolled by armed guards.

 No.61258

>>61234
To think anyone would go to such lengths for that shit.

Desperate times call for desperate measures. If they're really gonna go that far, then we'll need to try and one up to level the playing field.

In other words… WE NEED A NEW STRATEGY.

 No.61266

>>61258
Making our own scraper? Hosting our own servers?
Breaking free from our chains and suffering?

We can deal with the guards. They're after kemono, not us. And we can even give them more than what SS offers them. All humans have a critical weakness.

 No.61275

>>61266
The whole point is that they have ways of detecting scraping. That's how they know which users have been sharing their account details. Amongst other things, they'll notice that you are apparently accessing the site from a server farm instead of from a residential connection, information that is publicly available because it's used to detect spam.

 No.61278

>>61275

And who knows if the detection is fairly simple, like, if ip is not the same as logged ip = scraper, or if ip spoofing already done, they can check asn for immutability

no need to invest multibillion dollar of research, just have a good infrastructure (why they already had since they're a content platform anyway)

 No.61284

>>61278
We don't know, and short of either getting someone on the inside or hacking their systems we have no way of knowing without just testing it and risking people getting permabanned. There are reports of people finding themselves locked out with an obscure message telling them to contact support, and support tells them "your account has been used for scraping, you are banned and every payment method you ever used here is blacklisted, fuck you".

 No.61302

>>61266
I was thinking infiltration. Perhaps the right kind of person, with the skills needed to be hired for something (ideally a position that involves accessing the internal system, even better if it involves having full leverage over it), a good "reason" to be hired, maybe acts as normal for the first 1 or 2 years. Then implement something with a pretence that would secretly open a loophole to safely importing from SS.

Though there could be other ways as well. This is more of a "Mission Impossible" level idea.

 No.61314

>>61302

theorically, why would a hacker even bother to do this? could you give a solid reason that's worth for hacker's time?

it's more logical for a hacker to hack mit database or any uni database and spreading it for free or even doing malicious by leaking all US citizen SSN from a stupid company in handling private data and demand ransom

why would even hacker to bother hack… subscribestar.. for.. porn? what?

if you think a hacker could run program this program that and by miracle something hacked… that's not a hacker, that's a script kiddie

 No.61323

>>60855
just accept you will not always be able to get infinity paywalled content for free OP.

 No.61332

>>61314
I never said anything about hacking. I meant being hired by SS and infiltrating the SS staff. Make sense?

 No.61333

>>61323
It's about more than money.

 No.61334

>>61314
>>61332
Think of it like a one man trojan horse. Or a secret agent.

 No.61342

>>61334

sounds like too much dedication for… porn

also is that worth it for porn with risk of abysmal amount of lawsuit to a personal who initiates this bullshit?

also, imagining passed in the one shot selection is the most jobless mindset ever possible

 No.61343

>>61333

it's about what then? message? what the fuck

 No.61344

>>61332
Trying to figure out if this is a more schizo idea than the schizo retard who thinks the admin has friends and the ability to build a non-shitty API to give to them

 No.61345

>>61344
>>61323
>you copied a file?
>you're a…….. schizo retard!

you're a kike.

and no, it's not because of your shitty english that i know you're a kike.

 No.61397

>>61342
>>61343
Plenty of things, including unrestricted access to what may (sometimes permanently) be hidden from everyone else, privacy concerns and not compromising one's own transaction history, or getting sick of relying on cash paid gift cards (or just not wanting to be reduced to "picking and choosing" who to follow when you could have access to all).

>>61344
The heading of this thread makes perfect coherent sense, and isn't a conspiracy theory unlike that other guy who himself probably has no friends and is just taking it out on the admins. This thread was made with the hope action can be taken that will benefit everyone, I don't think that other one would benefit anyone (not even it's OP).

 No.61398

>>61397

remember one thing

it is still only for porn

no matter how epic you're making it looks like

 No.61442

>>61398
Even if you focus right on the content, there's a whole lot more at stake than just porn.

 No.61445

>>61442

> more at stake than just porn.


Patreon? Makes sense
SubscribeStar? Doubt. Nothing posts anything other than porn there.

 No.61485

>>61445
>Nothing posts anything other than porn there.
False, people do post art and other stuff that isn't porn. I've seen artists who never (or in some cases rarely) do porn.

Also just remember SS is basically eating Patreon's lunch, so it's only a matter of time before it gets worse.

 No.61487

>>61485

> False, people do post art and other stuff that isn't porn.


I never seen anyone pledging for LLM, RPG assets, or whatever that benefits for end creators on SS.

 No.61524

Any Tech-Geek here willing to be brave enough to use this web scrapping app built on MERN stack (To run it, you will have to download the code and open it in VScode) (and also make a Website version of it) to see if it can rip NSFW artists from Subscribestar.adult?: https://github.com/Alessandro-Gobbetti/IR



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