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Talk to team members and administration directly here.
Issues and Feedback Thread #4
Something broken or bothering you? Want to give input on how the site could be improved?Talk to team members and administration directly here.
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Its the only known full scrape of the site.
The archive is stored in multiple Google TeamDrives, Please message me on telegram on this handle https://t.me/Hermietkreeft
Reply to this for any questions
Yiff.Party Archive
Well its time for me to share the full yiff.party archiveIts the only known full scrape of the site.
The archive is stored in multiple Google TeamDrives, Please message me on telegram on this handle https://t.me/Hermietkreeft
Reply to this for any questions
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How do you find files not listed?
Confused on how this site work… works sometimes mentions a folder or mega link… but it's not posted in there… so how do I get anything from there?
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Huge thanks to whoever updates those!
Webnovels 6
Anything related to Webnovels, LitRPGs and such.Huge thanks to whoever updates those!
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These .psd files are too large.
I don't have Photoshop, is there any other way to batch convert .psd files into .png or another format?
These .psd files are too large.
I don't have Photoshop, is there any other way to batch convert .psd files into .png or another format?
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Booth.pm leaks?
Is there a platform like yiff/kemono that scrapes stuff from booth? Or will kemono possibly support booth in the future?
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gallery-dl (https://github.com/iori-hub/gallery-dl)
A program that, once installed, lets you run a command in command prompt to download all images from a given link. It's compatible with pretty much every site I've tried it on, too. (Twitter, FurAffinity, e621, Inkbunny, Newgrounds, e-hentai, Pixiv, and surprisingly even Kemono.)
The main downside is that it's a python script run from command prompt, so to install it you need to install python (and in my case that didn't work so I needed to install it through Chocolatey, which is another python script that does… something?). Once it's installed, though, all you need to do is feed it a link and it just works.
Twitter Media Downloader (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tw-media-downloader)
Firefox extension. Essentially an in-browser version of gallery-dl for just twitter specifically. Easier to install, and it has an actual HUD instead of using command-line. It also lets you download a user's LIKES too, not just their media or retweets.
r34dl (https://github.com/r34dlnew/Rule34.xxx-Downloader)
rule34.xxx is one of the few sites gallery-dl doesn't work on, so I use this instead. Lets you download the entirety of the results of a specified search.
Awesome Duplicate Photo Finder (http://www.duplicate-finder.com/photo.html)
This program scans a given folder (including subfolders) for duplicates, then lists them and gives you the option to move or delete them. This is really useful for doing a first-pass over a mass-downloaded gallery before sorting it "properly" afterwards.
Useful software thread
Post information about websites or software that people deserve to know about.gallery-dl (https://github.com/iori-hub/gallery-dl)
A program that, once installed, lets you run a command in command prompt to download all images from a given link. It's compatible with pretty much every site I've tried it on, too. (Twitter, FurAffinity, e621, Inkbunny, Newgrounds, e-hentai, Pixiv, and surprisingly even Kemono.)
The main downside is that it's a python script run from command prompt, so to install it you need to install python (and in my case that didn't work so I needed to install it through Chocolatey, which is another python script that does… something?). Once it's installed, though, all you need to do is feed it a link and it just works.
Twitter Media Downloader (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tw-media-downloader)
Firefox extension. Essentially an in-browser version of gallery-dl for just twitter specifically. Easier to install, and it has an actual HUD instead of using command-line. It also lets you download a user's LIKES too, not just their media or retweets.
r34dl (https://github.com/r34dlnew/Rule34.xxx-Downloader)
rule34.xxx is one of the few sites gallery-dl doesn't work on, so I use this instead. Lets you download the entirety of the results of a specified search.
Awesome Duplicate Photo Finder (http://www.duplicate-finder.com/photo.html)
This program scans a given folder (including subfolders) for duplicates, then lists them and gives you the option to move or delete them. This is really useful for doing a first-pass over a mass-downloaded gallery before sorting it "properly" afterwards.
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Use this thread to share archives (MEGA, GDrive, Dropbox, etc.) and DM/Paywall site contents. If you wanna request, do it in the pinned request thread above and make it obvious in your request about the archive/DM stuff.
(Since kemono already got a DM importing feature, it'll be best to upload the DM contents there and notify anyone else about it in this thread.)
REMEMBER TO ENCODE THE LINKS TO B64 OR SOMETHING ELSE BEFORE SHARING FOR SECURITY REASONS.
We'll counting on you.
Archive/DM contents thread (Rebirth edition)
Crimson here, again.Use this thread to share archives (MEGA, GDrive, Dropbox, etc.) and DM/Paywall site contents. If you wanna request, do it in the pinned request thread above and make it obvious in your request about the archive/DM stuff.
(Since kemono already got a DM importing feature, it'll be best to upload the DM contents there and notify anyone else about it in this thread.)
REMEMBER TO ENCODE THE LINKS TO B64 OR SOMETHING ELSE BEFORE SHARING FOR SECURITY REASONS.
We'll counting on you.
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I downloaded A unity game but it requires authenticaton and I'm obviously not subscribed to that guy's patreon
I downloaded A unity game but it requires authenticaton and I'm obviously not subscribed to that guy's patreon
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Why are SFW artists who vehemently hide their NSFW work so fucking annoying?
No offense, but I can’t stand people who literally make it so physically impossible/hide their porn behind ludicrous paywalls to the point where it’s near impossible to find or leak. You’re not popular because people care about your lore/stories/characters, people want you to draw ass, so stop fucking around and draw ass.
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Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20210712123936/https://paywall.party/kemono/res/4313.html#4313
Giantess Macro/Micro thread
Discuss artists who draw giantess and size difference stuff here. Please contribute if possible.Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20210712123936/https://paywall.party/kemono/res/4313.html#4313
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Any chance on ci-en.dlsite.com being added? Or is it included with DLSite?
Any chance on ci-en.dlsite.com being added? Or is it included with DLSite?
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Anyone knows how to make payments on Fantia?
I used a credit card in the past but it appears they implemented more security for payment as of last month where you now need a 3D secure credit card which I don't have.
https://spotlight.fantia.jp/news/20210917_3dsecure
Any ideas on how to continue making payments outside of Japan?
This will affect lots of users that imported content from there.
>pic related
Fantia payments
Hey allAnyone knows how to make payments on Fantia?
I used a credit card in the past but it appears they implemented more security for payment as of last month where you now need a 3D secure credit card which I don't have.
https://spotlight.fantia.jp/news/20210917_3dsecure
Any ideas on how to continue making payments outside of Japan?
This will affect lots of users that imported content from there.
>pic related
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Please check it out if you wish to ask for updates or additions!
Requests have a new home
As a preparatory step that is part of an effort to increase quality across all our community discussion spaces, all request generals have been merged into a new board - /requests/.Please check it out if you wish to ask for updates or additions!
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Not sure if it can be appealed or something but I'm guessing if the importer only uses one ip or a limited range of IPs it got pegged and now any connections from those get flagged and payments disabled.
subscribestar banning users
So looks like subscribestar is now banning kemono.party users based on some kind of connection ID under the premise that our credit card data is now "compromised" and all payment sources are then disabled as a result.Not sure if it can be appealed or something but I'm guessing if the importer only uses one ip or a limited range of IPs it got pegged and now any connections from those get flagged and payments disabled.
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Maintenence and site works notices
See here for words on Maintenance and works being performed on the site!
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Paywall memes
Best I can do. Anyone else?
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it archives stories posted on SoFurry
after someone got butt hurt it stopped showing content instead it just redirect to SF whenever you click on something
unless the story contain the word "cub" then it will still show it without redirecting
that works fine if the story still exist on SF but if it is deleted then it just redirect you to the message saying the submission has been deleted
(unless it contain the cub then there is no redirection)
there is some smart people here perhaps someone know if it is possible to read the stories that has been archived but since deleted/restricted from SF?
i can find some of the deleted stories in the google cache but not all of them
and the cache does not keep things saved forever
fse.anthro.fr
fse.anthro.frit archives stories posted on SoFurry
after someone got butt hurt it stopped showing content instead it just redirect to SF whenever you click on something
unless the story contain the word "cub" then it will still show it without redirecting
that works fine if the story still exist on SF but if it is deleted then it just redirect you to the message saying the submission has been deleted
(unless it contain the cub then there is no redirection)
there is some smart people here perhaps someone know if it is possible to read the stories that has been archived but since deleted/restricted from SF?
i can find some of the deleted stories in the google cache but not all of them
and the cache does not keep things saved forever
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I have requested an artist from the previous request thread, the 1st one this year. Yet there is a new thread, and my requested artist is still not updated into the website. I am sure that I have filled the form completely, and I am one of the early birds in that thread.
Did this happen to anyone else as well? Please tell me if I missed some procedures.
Something wrong.
I have requested an artist from the previous request thread, the 1st one this year. Yet there is a new thread, and my requested artist is still not updated into the website. I am sure that I have filled the form completely, and I am one of the early birds in that thread.
Did this happen to anyone else as well? Please tell me if I missed some procedures.
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This is my first time using the website and i'm wondering if i did it right. now that I imported where do i find the ripped posts???
This is my first time using the website and i'm wondering if i did it right. now that I imported where do i find the ripped posts???
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BY THE WAY, ==No subscribestar requests please.== The importer is still down and there's no timeframe to when it will be back up. Apologies for any inconvenience.
NO DUPLICATE REQUESTS
FOLLOW THE FORMAT
IGNORANCE OF THESE RULES WILL RESULT IN A BAN
Format:
the name of the artist;
tier you want imported;
price of the tier;
link to the artist.
Request Thread #20 (General)
Thanks for the well-wishes, anons. Feeling better now so here we go with another request thread. Wouldn't you believe it, we've already broke 20 request threads…BY THE WAY, ==No subscribestar requests please.== The importer is still down and there's no timeframe to when it will be back up. Apologies for any inconvenience.
NO DUPLICATE REQUESTS
FOLLOW THE FORMAT
IGNORANCE OF THESE RULES WILL RESULT IN A BAN
Format:
the name of the artist;
tier you want imported;
price of the tier;
link to the artist.
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yiff.party
Something fun i have to show you all, imagine the possibilities..
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Is kemono.party banned in Dubai?
Yesterday i was able to visit it fine, now i can't and when i tried with VPN it works fine? Is it really banned here in Dubai for me?
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Hi there,
Here is a little script I made to match the visual of Kemono to my liking.
As well as the transformation of non-clickable images into clickable images.
I share it with you for those who want.
If someone feels like rewriting it correctly, free to do so. To do what I wanted, I had to use .remove() as a quick fix.
Script *monkey
Translated with deeplHi there,
Here is a little script I made to match the visual of Kemono to my liking.
As well as the transformation of non-clickable images into clickable images.
I share it with you for those who want.
If someone feels like rewriting it correctly, free to do so. To do what I wanted, I had to use .remove() as a quick fix.
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0lightsource
Binbinsuke
Bkrg
Bluefield
Frenkyhw
Hokuro
Ikemeru19
Jairou
Jtveemo
Kwnd1a0g
Loopingwing
Manana
Master-maichin
Naganolila
Nohtuy
Porygonleft
Shiro
Theobrobine
Wataya
Whygena
Yapo
平和ちゃん
If you find more artists with otokonoko/trap content, please share in the comments.
Otokonoko/Trap Thread
A thread which serves as a list for artists imported on Kemono who have otokonoko/trap content.0lightsource
Binbinsuke
Bkrg
Bluefield
Frenkyhw
Hokuro
Ikemeru19
Jairou
Jtveemo
Kwnd1a0g
Loopingwing
Manana
Master-maichin
Naganolila
Nohtuy
Porygonleft
Shiro
Theobrobine
Wataya
Whygena
Yapo
平和ちゃん
If you find more artists with otokonoko/trap content, please share in the comments.
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How to find proper userheader
I've been trying to use the kemono party onlyfans version to import some content, but for whatever reason it gives me a status code 401 when contacting only fans API. Apparently it's caused by a wrong userheader, but I found it in the same place the guide on the site says it should be. As an aside, everytime I try to use it I am also force logged out of only fans. What's going on and what am I doing wrong?
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Holy shit batman, pirating is getting more complicated by the minute.
We have NFTs scaring the internet (but still being pushed by rich people.) Primeleap is still a thing, Subscribestar found a way to pull a primeleap and ban all creditcard info if you leak onto sites like these. I mean, it sort of reminds me of minecraft hacking/exploits/glitch finding as funny as that sounds.
What I'm trying to get at is that inevitably, pirating to kemono party on the "Light side" of the web will just get harder and harder. So my question to you guys is (and no this is not meant to be a passive aggressive jab nor show I'm an artist paywall sympathizer. This is my genuine curiosity.) how do ya'll keep up mods, admin and computer savy anons, especially when artists go to such petty lengths to "save" their precious pixels on a screen. Because to me it actually makes me tired to keep up with.
I know things like this are a constant back a forth. But the more things advanced, the more somebody like me who wants to help gets left behind. No point in helping if the consequence is so steep it costs hundreds of bucks to leak again ya know.
Idk, TLDR I geuss what I'm trying to say is I'm obviously not too vigorously into the pirating scene, I just want to spread art…but as everything becomes more controlled on the internet, soon I feel like our ability just to right click and save an image will be met by having to go through several complicated hoops just to download the damn image we want that might not even be able to be done by the common person if you don't learn certain computer skills.
My worries about the future of pirating
Hmmm, I've come back from a long hiatus from the leaking crowd. Been dealing with life and coming back to it all…Holy shit batman, pirating is getting more complicated by the minute.
We have NFTs scaring the internet (but still being pushed by rich people.) Primeleap is still a thing, Subscribestar found a way to pull a primeleap and ban all creditcard info if you leak onto sites like these. I mean, it sort of reminds me of minecraft hacking/exploits/glitch finding as funny as that sounds.
What I'm trying to get at is that inevitably, pirating to kemono party on the "Light side" of the web will just get harder and harder. So my question to you guys is (and no this is not meant to be a passive aggressive jab nor show I'm an artist paywall sympathizer. This is my genuine curiosity.) how do ya'll keep up mods, admin and computer savy anons, especially when artists go to such petty lengths to "save" their precious pixels on a screen. Because to me it actually makes me tired to keep up with.
I know things like this are a constant back a forth. But the more things advanced, the more somebody like me who wants to help gets left behind. No point in helping if the consequence is so steep it costs hundreds of bucks to leak again ya know.
Idk, TLDR I geuss what I'm trying to say is I'm obviously not too vigorously into the pirating scene, I just want to spread art…but as everything becomes more controlled on the internet, soon I feel like our ability just to right click and save an image will be met by having to go through several complicated hoops just to download the damn image we want that might not even be able to be done by the common person if you don't learn certain computer skills.
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What kind of free storage plans do you use to hoard kemono data to redistribute it and for when kemono dies because all things die at some point, anons? Also what services do you recommend for archiving?
Cloud storage is not an option because it's heavily monitored and that defeats backups.
Data Hoarding and Archiving
Mods are free to join in since they know best about efficient storage and archive plans. Please move this to /b/ if this doesn't belong in /kemono/.What kind of free storage plans do you use to hoard kemono data to redistribute it and for when kemono dies because all things die at some point, anons? Also what services do you recommend for archiving?
Cloud storage is not an option because it's heavily monitored and that defeats backups.
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Blargsnarf's website is dead...
On October 27, 2021, Blargsnarf's art archive site ( http://blargsnarf.com ) was fucking nuked. Does anybody know why THAT happened?
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But I have yet to receive a notification.
And I have no clue what the keys are for.
What are they used for?
account features, what do they do?
We have an account section where we have notifications and keys.But I have yet to receive a notification.
And I have no clue what the keys are for.
What are they used for?
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I thought of using bitcoin but i cant transfer it to paypal because paypal requires a bank account to send money to the artist directly or artist's pixiv fanbox.
(I can't support someone via Patreon because patreon is banned in my country)
Paying stealthily
Is there a way to donate to subscribestar artist or pixiv fanbox artist without the government knowing about it? I live in a shithole middle east country (i can't leave yet until i finish a mandatory military service) and pornography is very illegal here, i can be fined up to 300k usd and 6 months in jail.I thought of using bitcoin but i cant transfer it to paypal because paypal requires a bank account to send money to the artist directly or artist's pixiv fanbox.
(I can't support someone via Patreon because patreon is banned in my country)
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shark
Remove my content.
Your site is ripping my paid content from my patreon and posting it up here; NOT cool. Please remove it asap and understand that I use my art to help support myself. Looks like you're doing this to plenty of other artists as well. If I don't get in agreement within a day I'll take appropriate actions.shark
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The content is still viewable, even tho I unsubscribed, but the Kemono Importer says that there is no content.
Does anybody have a solution for this?
Fantia Import error
Hi, I had purchased two months of Content on Fantia back in August, which I'd like to import now.The content is still viewable, even tho I unsubscribed, but the Kemono Importer says that there is no content.
Does anybody have a solution for this?
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Paywalled game thread
A thread dedicated to paid games from several paywall sites/methods. Share them or any infos about them in here.
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Related to: https://telegram.org/blog/protected-content-delete-by-date-and-more
Telegram protected bypass
Just in case is useful: https://github.com/ouwou/telegram-protected-bypassRelated to: https://telegram.org/blog/protected-content-delete-by-date-and-more
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Scalper deterrent program/software
All the smart code people out here you'll want to keep an eye on this, as well as anyone who uploads content.
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>absurd prices for the wall, like 15$ a month
>they keep hiding anything beyond what they normally post behind it
>some small artists immediately paywall all sex behind the wall the second the fame sticks a tiny toe inside the door
why is this so normalized??
why is this the norm now
>Artist makes 500+ paywalled posts, not even that popular, like 30 subs>absurd prices for the wall, like 15$ a month
>they keep hiding anything beyond what they normally post behind it
>some small artists immediately paywall all sex behind the wall the second the fame sticks a tiny toe inside the door
why is this so normalized??
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Tagging
When will we be able to add tags to make searching better?
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As you already know, anons can currently beg for content to be imported on KP in the following places among others
>>2468 current general begging thread
>>896 current DM/archives begging thread
Requests (which is admin dixit to be wiped at some point)
Discord and Telegram (see homepage)
What's been suggested so far and the main concerns are dupe requests and broken artists who need to be fixed on top of being updated
* fixing the request board (too many anons to quote, unlikely)
* making requests telegram only via a rss feed (restrictive but coordinated) >>2864
* voting (vote rigging is trivial regardless of method used but this is worth mulling over if using remote metrics) >>111
* automatic updates for artists (convenient and not hard to implement but very dangerous if done wrong by the developers or the importers) >>2754 >>2194 >>2184 >>2178 and others
* request button on artist page (looks cool and easy to use but if coded wrongly, it does not help) >>2712
* stop requesting (mentioning this for the lulz, but this is actually not wrong if people keep requesting things nobody cares enough about to pay for and multiple times too, waste of time and money for everyone) >>2599
Forgot many anons but body will become too long. Discuss if you feel like it.
TLDR: Thoughts on a better requesting/begging system than the current ones?
Import Request Discussion
Feel free to throw this on a pyre mods, this is to prevent the topic from being brought up in the feedback thread without being addressed.As you already know, anons can currently beg for content to be imported on KP in the following places among others
>>2468 current general begging thread
>>896 current DM/archives begging thread
Requests (which is admin dixit to be wiped at some point)
Discord and Telegram (see homepage)
What's been suggested so far and the main concerns are dupe requests and broken artists who need to be fixed on top of being updated
* fixing the request board (too many anons to quote, unlikely)
* making requests telegram only via a rss feed (restrictive but coordinated) >>2864
* voting (vote rigging is trivial regardless of method used but this is worth mulling over if using remote metrics) >>111
* automatic updates for artists (convenient and not hard to implement but very dangerous if done wrong by the developers or the importers) >>2754 >>2194 >>2184 >>2178 and others
* request button on artist page (looks cool and easy to use but if coded wrongly, it does not help) >>2712
* stop requesting (mentioning this for the lulz, but this is actually not wrong if people keep requesting things nobody cares enough about to pay for and multiple times too, waste of time and money for everyone) >>2599
Forgot many anons but body will become too long. Discuss if you feel like it.
TLDR: Thoughts on a better requesting/begging system than the current ones?
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Doing art as a career is fine. Don't get me wrong, you really should do art as a hobby if possible as to maintain creative integrity and ensure the wrong incentives don't come into play, but that may not be realistic for some.
But for fucks sake, could you lighten up on the paywalls? Literally everyone but the simpiest of whiteknights hates this shit. It turns your entire presence into a giant advertisement, and spreads like a cancer by encouraging other artists to employ similar monetization strategies even if they don't need to, which means people have to pay hundreds to see the work of all the artists they enjoy. And yes, some people actually do end up spending that much. Additionally, intentionally or not, you could also end up selling content that used to be completely free at a premium, which is scummy for obvious reasons. Alternative rewards and monetization models that don't involve paywalling do exist despite relative unpopularity.
You complain constantly about "muh rent," while failing to realize your consumers have the same expenses. So stop collectively milking them dry.
pic unrl
Dear angry artists,
Because I know you're lurking after the Twitter incident.Doing art as a career is fine. Don't get me wrong, you really should do art as a hobby if possible as to maintain creative integrity and ensure the wrong incentives don't come into play, but that may not be realistic for some.
But for fucks sake, could you lighten up on the paywalls? Literally everyone but the simpiest of whiteknights hates this shit. It turns your entire presence into a giant advertisement, and spreads like a cancer by encouraging other artists to employ similar monetization strategies even if they don't need to, which means people have to pay hundreds to see the work of all the artists they enjoy. And yes, some people actually do end up spending that much. Additionally, intentionally or not, you could also end up selling content that used to be completely free at a premium, which is scummy for obvious reasons. Alternative rewards and monetization models that don't involve paywalling do exist despite relative unpopularity.
You complain constantly about "muh rent," while failing to realize your consumers have the same expenses. So stop collectively milking them dry.
pic unrl
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MOVE TO SEISO...
Well..since kemono have a slow downloads speed and constantly failing I advice to start importing all of the artist into seiso.party. Seiso has a much faster download speed and less IRL fuckery. All Seiso content are art and anime (mostly..)
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Adding Discord to Favorites?
Is there a way to add discord profiles to your favorite artists?
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There's a rule going on there where all lewd arts must be censored even a little. Including myself, some people can find that those censorships are blocking the horny view.
Feel free to share uncensored art pieces in here first or third party versions/edits, individually or in an archive.
(Please note that the thread would be pretty much focusing more into furry arts instead of human ones, hence the site's original purpose for furry stuffs.)
Uncensored arts thread
A thread for sharing uncensored art pieces of several japanese artists.There's a rule going on there where all lewd arts must be censored even a little. Including myself, some people can find that those censorships are blocking the horny view.
Feel free to share uncensored art pieces in here first or third party versions/edits, individually or in an archive.
(Please note that the thread would be pretty much focusing more into furry arts instead of human ones, hence the site's original purpose for furry stuffs.)
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I regularly watch Moore's Law is Dead, he has Patreon-only podcasts such as Die Shrink about more esoteric computer subjects (or shit that doesn't fly for YT such as (((politics))) and things like that)
I'm thinking of subbing one month to his Patreon and ripping all his Patreon-only shit. With that comes my question: How? I know jackshit about Patreon.
Pic of Buildzoid unrelated.
Patreon ripping question
Slightly off topic for a site like this, but still related to Patreon:I regularly watch Moore's Law is Dead, he has Patreon-only podcasts such as Die Shrink about more esoteric computer subjects (or shit that doesn't fly for YT such as (((politics))) and things like that)
I'm thinking of subbing one month to his Patreon and ripping all his Patreon-only shit. With that comes my question: How? I know jackshit about Patreon.
Pic of Buildzoid unrelated.
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to download my Discord content. Then suddenly I lost access to my account and when I logged in from the other account I noticed somebody using it! I can only relate this to sharing my discord key with Kemono
. Kemono
will deny it, but I'm sending this as a warning for others -
never use your real discord to share with Kemono
.
Kemono leaked my Discord account
About 2 weeks ago I used Kemonoto download my Discord content. Then suddenly I lost access to my account and when I logged in from the other account I noticed somebody using it! I can only relate this to sharing my discord key with Kemono
. Kemono
will deny it, but I'm sending this as a warning for others -
never use your real discord to share with Kemono
.
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Talk to team members and administration directly here.
Issues and Feedback Thread #3
Something broken or bothering you? Want to give input on how the site could be improved?Talk to team members and administration directly here.
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sorry for bad english
Updated artists dont have anything new
Why is it that when i get an artist who hasnt been updated for a few months, my favorites say it just updated recently today and when i check the artist's kemono page there's nothing really there at all new? Am i missing something? Cuz the page is the same as before.sorry for bad english
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any recommendation on adblock for mobile?
I been using adblock lately while visiting kemono party on mobile. the thing is, most of the ads are not fully blocked. the reason im blocking the ads are because some of the ads are too big make it to cover some of the content on kemono while using mobile. for now, im using adblock plus on android, and if any of you have a suggestion or recommendation on a much better adblock for both pc and mobile? And is there an adblocker for ios and ipados as well?
R: 1 / I: 0
Kimono to loading at all
Seriously, cant evan get to the site. Might be an ISP thing idk.
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There should be a system like rule34 to blacklist certain things
Or a filter
For example
I want to leave everything unchecked except gifs so that I would ONLY see gifs. Is that possible? I Don t think so
A filter system? Or blacklist system?
Sometimes i want to look at just animations here but they arent easy to find without going through each artistThere should be a system like rule34 to blacklist certain things
Or a filter
For example
I want to leave everything unchecked except gifs so that I would ONLY see gifs. Is that possible? I Don t think so
R: 1 / I: 0
How do I search through DMs by artist? I think I can only search DMs by message content..
How do I search through DMs by artist? I think I can only search DMs by message content..
R: 4 / I: 0
I expect the artist is specifically uploading the censored version, coming on here to upload, then updating to the right version.
Problem is, I can't tag for reupload anymore for some reason. Don't know if that's just disabled overall. What to do?
(should I even bother for the like 3 anthro pieces a year he does? :I)
Ingi hiding censored public releases behind normal version thumbnails
Some of them literally (clicking on the low-res image thumbnail reveals the censored version), others outright have the censored version below the thumbnail.I expect the artist is specifically uploading the censored version, coming on here to upload, then updating to the right version.
Problem is, I can't tag for reupload anymore for some reason. Don't know if that's just disabled overall. What to do?
(should I even bother for the like 3 anthro pieces a year he does? :I)
R: 2 / I: 0
data server go brrrr while im archiving some stuff. its a hard and huge archive so sorry for any inconvenience
data server go brrrr while im archiving some stuff. its a hard and huge archive so sorry for any inconvenience
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Huge thanks to whoever updates those!
Webnovels 5
Anything related to Webnovels, LitRPGs and such.Huge thanks to whoever updates those!
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https://pastefg.hermietkreeft.site/?7fc339e9b463d8a4#FvxKKcSYkEdWkbCC3zDSngFXyUTecMEs3PEmAUPd3nf5
DMCA EMAIL
Dear Anons, i bring to you a bedtime story.https://pastefg.hermietkreeft.site/?7fc339e9b463d8a4#FvxKKcSYkEdWkbCC3zDSngFXyUTecMEs3PEmAUPd3nf5
R: 5 / I: 3
You will need tor browser to access it.
http://2z4sdjexigs22mxqfu44dmhspf7gxx44tajlkcrz64xrlo2mg33hfmad.onion
Temporary search solution
For all your feet searching needs.You will need tor browser to access it.
http://2z4sdjexigs22mxqfu44dmhspf7gxx44tajlkcrz64xrlo2mg33hfmad.onion
R: 9 / I: 1
i have a few questions about gallerydl. since rsync has been confirmed to be dead and rn it is completely useless to use them, i been transitioning to using gallerydl instead. the most intriguing thing is they work more efficiently than rsync. so the question is how do i configure it and does anyone know how to do that?
let say im going to download this artists https://kemono.party/patreon/user/3161935 gallerydl will download it into bundle and not by posts. what should i do to make sure that every download is being sorted into posts by folder? instead of mass downloading it into bundle making a finding and searching quite difficult for me. i need some sort of command that automatically sort then into folders by thier own ids
gallerydl configuration command?
hey all!i have a few questions about gallerydl. since rsync has been confirmed to be dead and rn it is completely useless to use them, i been transitioning to using gallerydl instead. the most intriguing thing is they work more efficiently than rsync. so the question is how do i configure it and does anyone know how to do that?
let say im going to download this artists https://kemono.party/patreon/user/3161935 gallerydl will download it into bundle and not by posts. what should i do to make sure that every download is being sorted into posts by folder? instead of mass downloading it into bundle making a finding and searching quite difficult for me. i need some sort of command that automatically sort then into folders by thier own ids
R: 2 / I: 1
>yfw the artist deletes his patreon after being imported to kemono because he doesn't actually have any other subs
>yfw the artist deletes his patreon after being imported to kemono because he doesn't actually have any other subs
R: 1 / I: 0
question
so if there are pages that has been imported but the contents aren't what we're looking for (such as low res versions of something that should be hi res instead), which method should be used? The reimport flagging (which is disabled now), or to reimport (OR request to reimport) the artist again? I've saw some old contents (such as the first page of a comic I saw before and low res) flagged, but never got imported again with a new one (hi res).
R: 2 / I: 0
Question regarding paid fanbox content and old posts
If I import paid posts from fanbox, am I gonna pay or is it automatically going to be bypassed? Especially old posts like this?
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Is there a way to contact Kemono admins or mods? Do they even bother answering in such case?
Is there a way to contact Kemono admins or mods? Do they even bother answering in such case?
R: 1 / I: 1
Oh boy, I can't wait to support my favorite artists, especially Spindles and Kidmo. I really hope they release the content I paid for on a reasonable schedule and don't scam me out of my money by leaving for 3+ months at a time while leaving their Patreon open…!
Oh boy, I can't wait to support my favorite artists, especially Spindles and Kidmo. I really hope they release the content I paid for on a reasonable schedule and don't scam me out of my money by leaving for 3+ months at a time while leaving their Patreon open…!
R: 45 / I: 12
Discuss, explain, and or rant about artists and their bad sides in this thread, as well as their usage and methods regarding the paywalls that is getting even more 'ferocious' as time passes.
REMEMBER TO KEEP THINGS COOL IN HERE, otherwise you'll risk yourself, others, or even worse, this very thread, to be deleted.
Artists & Paywalls
This thread is a successor of "DRM artists" threads from the dead yiff.party and paywall.party boards.Discuss, explain, and or rant about artists and their bad sides in this thread, as well as their usage and methods regarding the paywalls that is getting even more 'ferocious' as time passes.
REMEMBER TO KEEP THINGS COOL IN HERE, otherwise you'll risk yourself, others, or even worse, this very thread, to be deleted.
R: 9 / I: 0
So, I noticed, we follow the format and reply to the sticky threads, and within that thread, I see posts vanish
How the heck do we tell if its done?
Because I see people posting valid requests, within the format rules as well, but when we check the site, we see nothing to show the request was fulfilled or denied.
Am I missing something?
So, I noticed, we follow the format and reply to the sticky threads, and within that thread, I see posts vanish
How the heck do we tell if its done?
Because I see people posting valid requests, within the format rules as well, but when we check the site, we see nothing to show the request was fulfilled or denied.
Am I missing something?
R: 2 / I: 0
ETA FOR FLAGGING.
Any new on when will flagging comes back?
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Or do you re-request for a creator every month?
Question: Should Request Threads be Posted in Monthly?
Probably the dumbest question ever asked here. But how does this actually work? If someone accepts a request in a Request Thread and uploads content from a Patreon/etc., do they just keep doing it every single month? At some point, if they stop, do you re-request in a Request Thread?Or do you re-request for a creator every month?
R: 0 / I: 0
Spamming "load more" for hours isn't something I look forward to doing.
downloading a discord archive
is there a way to download an entire archived channel from kp or at least load the whole thing at once?Spamming "load more" for hours isn't something I look forward to doing.
R: 2 / I: 0
And for Android, is there any recommended browser that has a build-in ad blocker? I've heard about Brave Browser but each time the data and cache gets cleaned, it also delete the tabs on Incognito sections.
Best content blocker for Mobile devices
Still trying to find the best content & ad blocker for mobile device ever since kemono ads are getting more and more annoying, especially the one with the video since it slowed down my connection & performance on both android and iPhone. Since iOS 15 has been released, Apple has introduced safari extensions for iPhone. So I wonder if there any of you know the best and greatest content blocker extensions for it. I tried ad block plus but it didn't work that great. Is there am alternatives to it. Also does extensions only available for Safari only? or other browser also support it?And for Android, is there any recommended browser that has a build-in ad blocker? I've heard about Brave Browser but each time the data and cache gets cleaned, it also delete the tabs on Incognito sections.
R: 4 / I: 0
some got numbers on it but due to the size, most of them can't be previewed. how tf am i supposed to know which one i need?
i already got few from other link for recent artworks and it's from a result of me trying to similarize the upload dates of both the psd file(s) and the artworks with the same pic in the psd. this trick doesn't work with that clusterfuck link i mentioned above however since all the upload dates for all the psds are the same
anyone can help please? no way i'm gonna download all the fucking psds at once and check it out with my lame ass laptop
well
so i actually wanting to grab some psd files for my friend who is a fan of the artist but cant pledge in the paysite, but the psd list in google drive are a clusterfuck of japanese words saying "untitled artwork"some got numbers on it but due to the size, most of them can't be previewed. how tf am i supposed to know which one i need?
i already got few from other link for recent artworks and it's from a result of me trying to similarize the upload dates of both the psd file(s) and the artworks with the same pic in the psd. this trick doesn't work with that clusterfuck link i mentioned above however since all the upload dates for all the psds are the same
anyone can help please? no way i'm gonna download all the fucking psds at once and check it out with my lame ass laptop
R: 23 / I: 1
Would kemono party ever gets a OnlyFans support? I hvae heard of the story that the website that scrape onlyfans content got thier domains seized by OnlyFans.
Would kemono party ever gets a OnlyFans support? I hvae heard of the story that the website that scrape onlyfans content got thier domains seized by OnlyFans.
R: 37 / I: 0
Sites that I only know of are U18 and F95 only.
Also, there are few archive sites I know that hosts IB and FA stuffs. If you guys want them, let me know in the thread.
pic unrelated
Other leak sites
Hey, anyone knows other sites that hosts pirated stuffs than Kemono and Seiso?Sites that I only know of are U18 and F95 only.
Also, there are few archive sites I know that hosts IB and FA stuffs. If you guys want them, let me know in the thread.
pic unrelated
R: 1 / I: 0
Example:
for a creator with the fanbox page url of https://yyyyy.fanbox.cc, the name of their kemono page will be "yyyyy", even if in the page the artists' name is displayed as zzzzz.
So if you weren't able to find a creator from pixiv fanbox before, you might want to try finding their paywall page and getting their romanized name with the method showcase above, of course, this won't magically import any creators to kemono,if you can't find a creator there's allways the chance that they were never imported to kemono in the first place
I hope this helps.
A tip for finding pixiv fanbox creators
I don't know if this is well-known or not, but pixiv fanbox creator's are indexed by their romanized account name, which is not the one displayed on the fanbox page or on pixiv, the name that kemono uses is actually the first part of the link to the fanbox page.Example:
for a creator with the fanbox page url of https://yyyyy.fanbox.cc, the name of their kemono page will be "yyyyy", even if in the page the artists' name is displayed as zzzzz.
So if you weren't able to find a creator from pixiv fanbox before, you might want to try finding their paywall page and getting their romanized name with the method showcase above, of course, this won't magically import any creators to kemono,if you can't find a creator there's allways the chance that they were never imported to kemono in the first place
I hope this helps.
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API?
Does / will Kemono have a public API?
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Unpredictable Future
dude make a good point there. i wonder if kemono going to be next to pull the plug without any notice. claims can be made, words can be spread but decisions..decisions can only be made once, and it only can be made by the owner of the website. just to think again shino could just suddenly shutdown kemono and delete the group on the same day without anyone noticing it. kind of concern right now, especially when he made a strong claims "kemono could be last longer be it is unconfirmed but most likely it won't shutdown "involuntarily". i know and familiar with the term of "free stuff don't complain, just deal with it" but think again there are hundred of people who would spend thier spare money just to pledge on their favs artists and import it to kemono for "second backup storage" or to gives other chances to have it for free. who know what would happen next a lot of things has happen on 2020 and now, seiso which just being born in 2021 already being shutdown on the same exact year without giving any notice and admin just ghosted like how Mr Bussines aka admin of ofans.party did. im not mad, just feel sad to people who would spend some of their money to contribute into these website for others to have it for free and now, poof everything is thanos snap, just gone.
R: 500 / I: 44
Issues and Feedback Thread #2
Air any issues with the site, or anything you think should be added/changed to make the site better.
R: 17 / I: 2
post (and vent about it if you want) content creators you know that puts their content behind paywalls for a fricking long time before the public release
(hence why we need more people to contribute by posting archives of those contents, personal drive or not, so please if any of you who got archives read this, contribute. it's easy)
pic unrl
hmm
board seems pretty ded with lack of gud threads so here you gopost (and vent about it if you want) content creators you know that puts their content behind paywalls for a fricking long time before the public release
(hence why we need more people to contribute by posting archives of those contents, personal drive or not, so please if any of you who got archives read this, contribute. it's easy)
pic unrl
R: 6 / I: 0
An idea: a blacklist
I mean not everyone likes every artist that is on this site, some people hate some artists that are on this website, so what about a blacklist so people cant look at artists they dont like?
R: 3 / I: 0
kemono@home
Have the devs considering grid computing for kemono? Something like sadpanda's hentai@home. It'd help with the bandwidth and slow speeds
R: 8 / I: 2
file is .package but when Click for download file I got is .bin
wrong file upload?
https://kemono.party/patreon/user/4605235/post/57131789file is .package but when Click for download file I got is .bin
R: 21 / I: 9
FAQ
How do I prevent this?
Although fingerprinting is hard to get rid of even if you're in incognito mode, fingerprinting still and does happen as long as you browsing their website. For me the only effective method to prevent further collecting of your data, is by using TAILS. This may sound complicate, but as a person who prioritize their privacy and security, using TAILS is much safer way.
And as for average user who wouldn't want to go through all those setup, I recommend using Tor Browser while browsing and downloading content from kemono.party.
How do you know all this? Is there any evidence?
As you can see, the picture I posted in this thread is the evidence. And if you still didn't believe me, you can go check it by yourself using Tor Browser or any other method you could find on the internet. And one of their staff member even stated that "We fingerprinted every browser and are actively selling all user information to advertisers", "to give you more relevant ads". However, the person who saying this has a bad reputation and I'm not taking his words too seriously.
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PSA TO ALL USER
Attention to all, https://kemono.party may has secretly fingerprinting you. In case you didn't know what fingerprinting is, fingerprinting is a common act of a website to collect all your pc/phones data. These kind of data including: you ram size, type of operating system, type of browser used to browse https://kemono.party, your current ip address, and more. While this may not sound that serious for some user, but as a person who respect privacy and security, I highly advice to all user to keep yourself safe before it's too late.FAQ
How do I prevent this?
Although fingerprinting is hard to get rid of even if you're in incognito mode, fingerprinting still and does happen as long as you browsing their website. For me the only effective method to prevent further collecting of your data, is by using TAILS. This may sound complicate, but as a person who prioritize their privacy and security, using TAILS is much safer way.
And as for average user who wouldn't want to go through all those setup, I recommend using Tor Browser while browsing and downloading content from kemono.party.
How do you know all this? Is there any evidence?
As you can see, the picture I posted in this thread is the evidence. And if you still didn't believe me, you can go check it by yourself using Tor Browser or any other method you could find on the internet. And one of their staff member even stated that "We fingerprinted every browser and are actively selling all user information to advertisers", "to give you more relevant ads". However, the person who saying this has a bad reputation and I'm not taking his words too seriously.
1/2
R: 3 / I: 0
is there a way to see which artists have been taken down manually? I'm trying to find a couple and they are just completely missing as if they never existed.
is there a way to see which artists have been taken down manually? I'm trying to find a couple and they are just completely missing as if they never existed.
R: 22 / I: 5
EVERYTHING IS GETTING WORST
File name has completely changed. Kemono is getting more and more worst. The files name is in complete randomised characters. I don't remember this happened to yiff before. Why do they have to change the files name?
R: 3 / I: 0
feature disabled
literally every artist im here for has been disabled cuz of spam uploads can yall fix this shit already
R: 4 / I: 0
Another downtime.
Sigh..another downtime happen quite often this year don't ya think..?, thankfully there is another alternative for kemono. For people who don't know what it is, it is called seiso.party. Made by other devs I assume, and from my experience, it is much more stable and clean looking ui design. Not to judge kemono or anything, I just highly encourage user from kemono to import to both kemono and seiso.
R: 7 / I: 0
how do i actualky use rsync in kemono.party?
how to use rsync? i tried follow the useh sojamee instruction but it seems like it missing something..like it only download picture and nothing else. i tried my best to adjust the code but ended up failing. please anyone help
R: 2 / I: 0
All of the content was reported for resubmission and continues to remain broken and there continues to be content uploaded all in an unavailable format.
Can one explain why this problem has continued to persist please? Because Im sure am starting to lose hope of this problem ever being resolved. Are there cases of this happening with other artist content?
What the hell is it with this content still remaining unavailable?
Im sorry for creating thread but this problem has continued persisting for 3 months. Why has all of Bikomations content since 2021-06-07 continue to remain as unavailable errors?All of the content was reported for resubmission and continues to remain broken and there continues to be content uploaded all in an unavailable format.
Can one explain why this problem has continued to persist please? Because Im sure am starting to lose hope of this problem ever being resolved. Are there cases of this happening with other artist content?
R: 4 / I: 0
Admin if you ever planned to shutdown kemono, could you announce a week or longer before the date of shutdown? This can be handy to reduce the over loaded traffic come from people just like what happen to yiff.
And how much does it cost of maintaining and rent its server and host? Just a rough number is enough.
And please I wanted an answer from the admin itself and not the moderators. If its truly has been answered, please link it here.
Just A Quick Question
How long does kemono would be able to last? Im curious since yiff party be able to survive 5 years straight before pandemic hit and makes it popular. That is the story I have heard so please don't make fun of me if I have made a mistakes. Would kemono have the same amount of year too?Also just to make sure that I be able to archive and download as many artist as possible before it die. And if so, is there a possibility of kemono became an web.archive.org but focusly on art?Admin if you ever planned to shutdown kemono, could you announce a week or longer before the date of shutdown? This can be handy to reduce the over loaded traffic come from people just like what happen to yiff.
And how much does it cost of maintaining and rent its server and host? Just a rough number is enough.
And please I wanted an answer from the admin itself and not the moderators. If its truly has been answered, please link it here.
R: 2 / I: 0
Also, what's RSync, what the hell's the purpose, and how do I use those? I can't bear to lose contents I haven't get a chance to grab (thanks to the site's slowdown sometimes).
So...
…site is going maintenance and chances of old files will be deleted are pretty much in too?Also, what's RSync, what the hell's the purpose, and how do I use those? I can't bear to lose contents I haven't get a chance to grab (thanks to the site's slowdown sometimes).
R: 4 / I: 1
Copyright is a spook.
Copyright is a spook.
R: 34 / I: 5
What has happened to kemono?
In recent months, kemojo seems to have been taken control by other people. Why? Here are some of the evidence. Who ever this guys is, he managed to make kemono admin to reinforced the rule of nonsense. Like posting sticker, it's not like people are posting it in ths main chat, they are being posted in OFF TOPIC group. Again OFF TOPIC. He gets annoyed and makes his own rule and admin blindly agree to it. And right away being promoted as moderators. Did admin gets easily controlled by people?? Now there a are new rules where non related stuff other than kemono website are not encouraged to be discuss in main group. And how irony right after few day of that rules being made, the mod are discussing other than kemono stuff related. Some discuss about halo, nintendo and such. I mean wtf? Why other aren't allowed but they can? R: 0 / I: 0 (sticky)
>Rules
1. Do not post, request, or link to any content that is illegal in the United States of America.
2. Keep it comfy. Avoid uncomfortable topics likely to start arguments. You know what they are.
3. Genuine discussion concerning piracy is welcome, but blatant trolling, flamewars, and bait are not.
4. Do not ask people to update or add creators ("request,") outside of the dedicated sticky. Doing so will result in a ban.
5. Self-promotion and all forms of advertisement are not welcome.
>Wait, what happened to the old board? (paywall.party)
The original Partychan board was made as a collaboration with the administrator of the late ofans.party, who went more or less MIA without warning. I did not control paywall.party, or have access to its servers, so could not fix the issues the board was having.
This new site is 100% controlled by me on Kemono's infrastructure.
>Want to develop or moderate for Kemono? Need to send a bug report?
>Contact me!
admin@kemono.party
DO NOT send me requests.
Welcome back to /kemono/!
This is the place to discuss kemono.party, a scraper/leaker site for Patreon, Pixiv Fanbox, SubscribeStar, Gumroad, Discord, DLsite, and Fantia.>Rules
1. Do not post, request, or link to any content that is illegal in the United States of America.
2. Keep it comfy. Avoid uncomfortable topics likely to start arguments. You know what they are.
3. Genuine discussion concerning piracy is welcome, but blatant trolling, flamewars, and bait are not.
4. Do not ask people to update or add creators ("request,") outside of the dedicated sticky. Doing so will result in a ban.
5. Self-promotion and all forms of advertisement are not welcome.
>Wait, what happened to the old board? (paywall.party)
The original Partychan board was made as a collaboration with the administrator of the late ofans.party, who went more or less MIA without warning. I did not control paywall.party, or have access to its servers, so could not fix the issues the board was having.
This new site is 100% controlled by me on Kemono's infrastructure.
>Want to develop or moderate for Kemono? Need to send a bug report?
>Contact me!
admin@kemono.party
DO NOT send me requests.
R: 14 / I: 0
By the way, kemono search are getting a little bit slower, around 60 or more until I've been able to search. Probably bring back the enter to search was a good idea for now.
When will manual upload gets online? There might be several people out there have a bunch of fluffkevlar files and have no other place to upload it.
Clean Thoughts About This
Day by day has passed, and more artist are taking the send through emails/expired links/individual rewards method. All of that rooted to this, the twitter account. So should kemono ever deleted this account and move on? Or should the just leave this account active and make it been discovered more by artist?By the way, kemono search are getting a little bit slower, around 60 or more until I've been able to search. Probably bring back the enter to search was a good idea for now.
When will manual upload gets online? There might be several people out there have a bunch of fluffkevlar files and have no other place to upload it.
R: 2 / I: 0
SubscribeStar Import down?
Been trying to update SomeScrub's SubscribeStar page since that's where their juicier stuff goes, but the importer never actually imports any posts and gives me these two lines. Help would be much appreciated.
R: 2 / I: 0
[98843319]: Starting import. Your import id is 98843319.
[98843319]: Status code 401 when contacting Patreon API.
[98843319]: Status code 401 when contacting Patreon API.
[98843319]: No active subscriptions or invalid key. No posts will be imported.
Import Error
Is Import System working or not i always get this error[98843319]: Starting import. Your import id is 98843319.
[98843319]: Status code 401 when contacting Patreon API.
[98843319]: Status code 401 when contacting Patreon API.
[98843319]: No active subscriptions or invalid key. No posts will be imported.
R: 1 / I: 0
Issues with importing with Subscribestar
whats going here? There are several posts in here yet its not uploading. just scanning. i used the auth_token cookie as it says to use. or is there another cookie im supposed to use?
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i'm just ranting a bit about the existence of unimportant posts from lots of artists/creators such as their stream notifications, poll stuffs, and such
seriously, i think i'm not the only one in here who is upset or disappointed even for a bit about this, right?
please don't update the creators unless they posted their REAL creations
again, seriouslyi'm just ranting a bit about the existence of unimportant posts from lots of artists/creators such as their stream notifications, poll stuffs, and such
seriously, i think i'm not the only one in here who is upset or disappointed even for a bit about this, right?